Fire Pete Carroll? No Way!

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This morning, “the Mitch in the Morning” show on KJR crossed the line from being annoying to downright stupid. Mitch has always struggled with his grip on reality, but today’s rant was just stupid, even for him. How he can claim that Pete Carroll should be fired today, and not have every single person listening to him on their radio automatically change the station, is simply amazing to me.

I get some of the frustration with Carroll this week. He’s mismanaged some situations and made some very questionable choices (like going for it on 4th down with 12 seconds left in the first half last week instead of taking the FG) but to suggest that this is grounds for a complete organizational shakeup? seriously?

Keep in mind that Carroll is the VP of football operations, not just the coach. Firing Carroll means bringing in yet another person to run the organization. That person will want to hire their own GM too. There will be another major roster purge once that happens, and another year or 2 of guaranteed losing while the transition takes place. 

Keep in mind the state of the team that was here when Carroll took over. The Seahawks roster was filled with Tim Ruskell players who were the opposite of the “bigger, stronger, faster” that Carroll, and every other NFL coach, wants on their roster. Carroll has had to replace over 90% of the roster in just 2 off-seasons in order for the Seahawks to be able to line up on Sundays and not just be blown off the ball on every play. Considering the team only gets 7 draft picks each season for which to facilitate that change, it’s going to take time.

I think most fans would rather have Brandon Browner starting at CB over Kelly Jennings. Browner is huge (6-3, 220 lb.) corner who has difficulty covering receivers. The man he replaced, Jennings, is a relatively tiny (5-9, 185 lb.) corner who could cover almost any receiver but was simply incapable of making a play on the ball once it got there. He was just too small, and got out jumped or out muscled on every occasion. The thing is Browner is nothing but a stop gap at CB. No one believes he’s a real NFL starter. He’s only here because Carroll needed someone, anyone, who actually play the position since it was obvious that Jennings wasn’t going to be able to. The Seahawks still need to find a starting CB.

This is just one example. Roster problems like this exist at almost every position. Remember Deon Grant? It took 2 seasons in order to get Kam Chancellor ready to be a major upgrade at that position. What about Jordan Babineaux? He had no business whatsoever starting in the NFL? Aaron Curry? Any of the DE on the roster when Carroll took over? And that’s just the defensive players that I  can come up with off the top of my head.

What I’m saying is, this type of transformation takes time. The Rams’ roster was in a similar shape a few years ago, and they’ve gone through 4 straight very bad seasons as they try and rebuild. Compare that to Carroll won a playoff game his first season.

I know most Seahawks fans love Mike Holmgren, so I’ll use his time in Seattle as one final reference. After barely making the playoffs in 1999, his first season in Seattle, Holmgren then took 4 years before making the playoff again. And the roster that Holmgren inherited was much better than the roster Carroll inherited. At this point I simply don’t see any reason not to give Carroll at least a couple more seasons to turn things around.

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el80ne 7 pts

(cont.)

Between signing Jackson, trading for Whitehurst, and wanting badly to draft Jimmy Clausen what exactly inspires any confidence that Carroll will make the right decision on which QB to draft next year? With Luck out of the picture making the pick no longer idiot proof I can only hope Paul Allen understands how leaving a monumental decision such as picking the team's franchise QB of the future to Carroll could set this team back for the next decade and thus has <b>epic fail</b> written all over it.

Keith_12thMR 36 pts

arias The Whitehurst trade wasn't that bad. It was only 1 pick, and it had less to do with Whitehurst than it did about changing the culture of the team. The Seahawks and a group of entitled veterans that simply refused to work for their playing time. By trading for a QB and making Matt compete for his playing time, Carroll put the entire team on notice. Had he not changed the culture of the team, they most likely go 4-12 last season. In my mind it was worth the draft pick.

Also, the accounts on Jimmy Clausen are disputed. I've read in multiple places that King's claims are simply untrue. Yes Carroll was high on Clausen, so were about 30 other teams. According to Eric Williams of the TNT, the Seahawks had no plans to draft a QB that year, no matter who fell to them.

Also, under the new CBA, drafting a QB high in the draft doesn't set a team back like it used to. Team's are no longer forced to give a player 50 mil guaranteed. It would just be a loss of one draft pick. It's just not the same as it used to be.

All I'm saying is give the guy a chance. 1.5 years isn't enough time to turn around a team when the roster is as bad as it was when PC and JS took over.

el80ne 7 pts

Keith_12thMR "By trading for a QB and making Matt compete for his playing time, Carroll put the entire team on notice." Maybe that's why they're doing so poorly this year. If this was indeed the message that put "the entire team on notice" last year that you attributed to their success, perhaps that explains why they're playing so horribly this year after Pete "put the entire team on notice" by signing a re-tread QB who didn't have to spend one minute competing for the starting job which was gifted to him. All those believers from last year started seeing comPete "only when I wanna" Carroll as a hypocrite.

As far as King's claims, there's a reason that Sports Illustrated's prime time football analyst spent the last decade of NFL draft day at Seahawks HQ. It was not so he could battle with all the other scrub reporters for scraps and rumors about a podunk team in Southern Alaska. Nope. It's because he was given the privilege of sitting at the draft table, getting firsthand insight from everyone there, privy to all the innuendo and machinations of draft day intrigue while enjoying his exclusive perch on the inside and reporting accordingly. It's a fair and savvy trade off, as the Seahawks get the press and PR from the top feature analyst of the nation's #1 sporting journal while SI gets the priceless behind the scenes access on draft day. So please explain why King's claims, with all that behind the scenes access, would be untrue? He's not working the rumor mill. He gets access to the horse's mouth! And if you read his report from that day, including Carroll's swooning over Clausen and how he kept reminding everyone as the second round approached that they would take the best player available (implying Clausen), it actually gets pretty detailed. Eric Williams could only dream of the kind of access Peter King got on a yearly basis and give more weight to a guy who doesn't have such access than to a far more credible source that does? I'm sorry but that's just asinine.

el80ne 7 pts

Keith_12thMR (cont)

You also appear to suffer from revisionist history. 30 other teams were most definitely NOT high on Clausen. Why do you think he dropped all the way to the 2nd round? The guy was considered a colossal f@ckup by many, he had all sorts of character issues coming out of college. QB Guru Holmgren in fact royally dissed the kid before the draft, saying he needed a QB and wished he could say he liked Clausen but he couldn't. You must have been smoking whatever Pete was if you thought 30 other teams were high on Clausen when it came down actually to TWO teams. The Panthers and The Seahawks courtesy of Carroll.

FWIW, King didn't seem to be around on draft day 2011 so maybe Carroll was so embarrassed about being exposed as a Clausen lover that King was dis-invited from his privileges this year.

el80ne 7 pts

I'm far more sympathetic with Mitch on this. Carroll is turning out to be simply a poor coach. Why? It's not just one mistake like his wrongheaded decision to forsake the free 3 points and go for it with 14 seconds left on the clock with a running play and no shot of getting another play off. It's a consistent pattern of incompetent clock and game management throughout his entire tenure so far. This is the third time I can recall him making an inexcusable gamble of going for it, and failing, instead of taking the 3 points. If he hadn't unnecessarily burned a timeout earlier in the half (that occurred ridiculously and unnecessarily after a cincy timeout of their own) they might have had a shot at getting a second play off and a TD in that case.

And why did they burn a timeout? It appeared the defense was out of position. The last time the Seahawks suffered from this undisciplined a team responsible for so many penalties was during the Dennis Erickson era. Holmgren, even when rebuilding, would NEVER put up with the range of silly penalties we've seen from this team in the last few weeks alone. He would always bear down on his team for unforced errors and have it ironed out the following week. That we see such a bevy a penalties from this team week after week, even offside penalties from the offense while playing at HOME drives home the question of whether Pete is capable of doing his job. It happens when you hire a college coach to do a man's job, and this is Pete's 3rd stint as a NFL head coach. You would have thought he would know how to coach grown men by now after this long. Being an effective rah rah college coach doesn't mean you can rah rah grown men the same way.

Of course Carroll could win with a more talented team around him. The question is whether Carroll has what it takes to ASSEMBLE that more talented team and the judgement to properly evaluate offensive talent and draft and sign free agents accordingly ... particularly at QB. And if we're to base this question on his track record so far the answer has to be a resounding NO! This is a guy who, as Sports Illustrated's Peter King reported live from Seahawks HQ on draft day 2010, Carroll was so high on Jimmy Clausen that if safety hadn't been a position of such need or if Earl Thomas was off the board he would have selected Clausen with 14th overall pick and WOULD have taken Clausen in the 2nd if Carolina didn't beat him to it. And as King presciently stated "Thank god for Carolina then".

Indeed!