Calm Down The RG3 Hype


Or don’t actually. Build him up so someone else can overpay for him. Just don’t expect the Seahawks to move up for Robert Griffin III. While anything is possible, there’s simply too much evidence available that suggests it simply won’t even be considered by the Seahawks.

By now you’ve already read all about John Schneider’s Green Bay background and trade down philosophy. I wont spend much time on that here since it’s already well known and well documented. The one thing I would add on this topic is that there’s no reason why he’d  want to give up on this philosophy now. The last 2 drafts have seen Schneider draft pro-bowl level talent late in the draft. Moving back in the first round and getting more picks can only be a good thing when Schneider is the one drafting the players, and he knows it.

The other reason why I don’t see the Seahawks targeting RG3 is that he isn’t the type of quarterback the Seahawks want. Now, before you roll your eyes and point your web browser to another site, let me explain what I mean. 

We’ve all assumed at one point that the RG3 is exactly what the Seahawks want. He’s accurate, got a big arm and mobile. Perfect right? But ask yourself where that list of requirements came from. You might be surprised that the prototype we have all had in mind isn’t actually what the Seahawks are looking for.

Pete Carroll talks about wanting a “point guard,” or a “game manager.” What exactly that means he hasn’t been particularly clear about until his post season press conference, and even then he was a bit vague and contradicted himself a couple times.

What we have to go by to determine what Pete Carroll and Schneider want in a QB is actually pretty limited. We have to look at their history to determine what they want. Charlie Whitehurst is certainly big, mobile and has a big arm. Jackson is not as big and doesn’t have as big of an arm, but he is also more mobile. If you look at the players that Pete Carroll had at USC (Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez, John David Booty) all (except for Booty) are big guys  with limited mobility, and only Palmer had a truly elite arm.

Clearly there’s a pattern here. Of all of the players on the list, only Jackson is capable of making plays with his legs, and even he’s not going to make too many people miss. The problem is that there’s mobile, and then there’s mobile. If you look at the QBs that Pete Carroll and Schneider have targeted or rated highly in the draft, none have been the type to be true playmakers with their legs.

RG3 definitely doesn’t fit that model. He’s in the Mike Vick/Cam Newton mold of playmakers. You only have to look back one year to see how Carroll and Schneider view that type of player. Cam Newton was the first overall pick in the draft. Jake Locker, another QB who’s a playmaker with his legs, went with the 8th overall pick. According to multiple reports, the Seahawks had those 2 players way down on their draft board as the 4th and 5th QBs in the draft. Both apparently had 3rd round draft grades. Carroll and Schneider clearly don’t value that skill set.

So while RG3 has a lot of hype right now, and undoubtedly the Seahawks will be linked to rumors of trying to trade up for a QB, those rumors will likely be a smokescreen to hide their true intentions. I believe it’s highly unlikely that the Seahawks will try and trade up to get him.

Even if Griffin falls down to them in the draft, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Seahawks use the hype around him to trade back and get a nice package of picks for him.

Tags: Cam Newton Carson Palmer Jake Locker John David Booty John Schneider Mark Sanchez Matt Barkley Matt Leinart Mike Vick Pete Carroll Robert Griffin III Seahawks Seattle Seahawks

  • OCHawkFan

    I think RGB 3 would be great, but what about Josh Portis? Further, TJack is a playmaker with his feet, only the wrong direction. Not only isn’t he a QB with good running instincts, he got himself hurt for weeks on one of his runs, and fumbled on a potential game winning drive against SF on another. He is no Michael Vick, nor even an Alex Smith, who killed us with his runs. Seattle would be a much better team with a real threat to run at QB, but in that regard, I do not think TJack is it.

  • Keith_12thMR

    @OCHawkFan Portis is just roster filler and someone who can run the scout team. I think the Seahawks kept Portis around to have someone who can simulate Vick and Smith types in practice. He’s not an NFL QB. His mechanics are all wonky.

    Also, the problem with QB who run is that they’re always hurt. I think NFL teams realize that’s a risk-reward tradeoff. While a running QB can be a huge weapon, in the long run you might be better off with a pocket passer who’s willing to throw the ball away and live to play another down.

  • OCHawkFan

    I think RGB 3 would be great, but what about Josh Portis? Further, TJack is a playmaker with his feet, only the wrong direction. Not only isn’t he a QB with good running instincts, he got himself hurt for weeks on one of his runs, and fumbled on a potential game winning drive against SF on another. He is no Michael Vick, nor even an Alex Smith, who killed us with his runs. Seattle would be a much better team with a real threat to run at QB, but in that regard, I do not think TJack is it.

  • Keith_12thMR

    @OCHawkFan Portis is just roster filler and someone who can run the scout team. I think the Seahawks kept Portis around to have someone who can simulate Vick and Smith types in practice. He’s not an NFL QB. His mechanics are all wonky.

    Also, the problem with QB who run is that they’re always hurt. I think NFL teams realize that’s a risk-reward tradeoff. While a running QB can be a huge weapon, in the long run you might be better off with a pocket passer who’s willing to throw the ball away and live to play another down.

  • OCHawkFan

    @Keith_12thMR Honestly, I don’t know much about Portis except for what I saw in preseason and Carroll’s enthusiasm for him. Portis may not be enough of a passer to be a QB of the future candidate, but a QB who is not afraid to take off if the situation presents itself is a big weapon that we flat-out don’t have right now. TJack holds on to the ball too long, then scrambles ineffectively for his life, and then slides head first! I would rate the top QBs in the playoffs (Rogers, Brees, Smith, Manning and even Brady and Manning), as all much better runners than TJack, because they are recognize the run not as just a way to avoid a sack, but as an offensive weapon in the right situation. The defense needs to stay home or pay the price.

  • Keith_12thMR

    @OCHawkFan Here’s the thing though, not a single one of those except Smith (who’s mediocre at best) is a running QB. All of them are pocket passers.

    Any QB can pick up a few yards in the right situation. Even Matt Hasselbeck could and he’s one of the least mobile QB’s in the league. Truly mobile QBs, Like RG3, Vick and Newton, are a completely different thing altogether.

  • OCHawkFan

    @Keith_12thMR Honestly, I don’t know much about Portis except for what I saw in preseason and Carroll’s enthusiasm for him. Portis may not be enough of a passer to be a QB of the future candidate, but a QB who is not afraid to take off if the situation presents itself is a big weapon that we flat-out don’t have right now. TJack holds on to the ball too long, then scrambles ineffectively for his life, and then slides head first! I would rate the top QBs in the playoffs (Rogers, Brees, Smith, Manning and even Brady and Manning), as all much better runners than TJack, because they are recognize the run not as just a way to avoid a sack, but as an offensive weapon in the right situation. The defense needs to stay home or pay the price.

  • Keith_12thMR

    @OCHawkFan Here’s the thing though, not a single one of those except Smith (who’s mediocre at best) is a running QB. All of them are pocket passers.

    Any QB can pick up a few yards in the right situation. Even Matt Hasselbeck could and he’s one of the least mobile QB’s in the league. Truly mobile QBs, Like RG3, Vick and Newton, are a completely different thing altogether.

  • bomnom

    All the hype around mobile quarterbacks in the league lately has only shown me that it is a huge risk/reward trade off like Keith said. I myself think the risk is not worth it at all unless your back up is somebody like John Kitna, an ex-starter who is experienced enough to win games. Cam Newton is the only one I believe who will stay healthy, however even his risk of injury goes up just from the fact he does run and Griffin does not have the sturdy wide shouldered body of Cam. The quarterback position is relied on too heavily in the NFL today to be taking injury risks with it. However, I definitely would smile if I saw Griffin standing next to the commissioner with a Hawks jersey in his hand.

  • Pedrohawk

    All the hype around mobile quarterbacks in the league lately has only shown me that it is a huge risk/reward trade off like Keith said. I myself think the risk is not worth it at all unless your back up is somebody like John Kitna, an ex-starter who is experienced enough to win games. Cam Newton is the only one I believe who will stay healthy, however even his risk of injury goes up just from the fact he does run and Griffin does not have the sturdy wide shouldered body of Cam. The quarterback position is relied on too heavily in the NFL today to be taking injury risks with it. However, I definitely would smile if I saw Griffin standing next to the commissioner with a Hawks jersey in his hand.

  • OCHawkFan

    @Keith_12thMR@OCHawkFan I agree with you Keith, we don’t need a running QB, but we do need a QB who can run. Frankly, a QB who stands too long in the pocket looking for the receiver who isn’t there and then gets clobbered by DE is probably a bigger injury (and fumble) risk than the QB who takes off and knows when and how to slide. TJack may be the guy if he has a full pre-season and a healthy O-line and receivers, but the real threat of a QB run is a great weapon to have, even if just to keep the D up to make our passing game more effective.

  • OCHawkFan

    @Keith_12thMR@OCHawkFan I agree with you Keith, we don’t need a running QB, but we do need a QB who can run. Frankly, a QB who stands too long in the pocket looking for the receiver who isn’t there and then gets clobbered by DE is probably a bigger injury (and fumble) risk than the QB who takes off and knows when and how to slide. TJack may be the guy if he has a full pre-season and a healthy O-line and receivers, but the real threat of a QB run is a great weapon to have, even if just to keep the D up to make our passing game more effective.