Apr 28, 2012; Renton, WA, USA; Seattle Seahawks first-round draft pick Bruce Irvin, poses for a picture with his mother, Bessie Lee, right, mentor Chad Allen, left, and girlfriend Alyssa Hackworth, following a press conference in the Virginia Mason Athletic Center. Mandatory Credit: Joe Nicholson-US PRESSWIRE

National Media Making Fools Of Themselves Over Bruce Irvin Pick


I am so tired of turning on the TV or radio and hearing someone talk trash about the Seahawks because they picked Bruce Irvin with the 15th overall pick. “why pick him at 15 when he’d have been there at 43″ gets repeated over and over. It makes me wonder, are they really that stupid? Seriously?

I get the initial reaction of surprise. I was surprised. I had Irvin at #65 on my board. When I heard that was who the Seahawks picked I thought it was a mistake. It wasn’t. The only mistake was my evaluation of Irvin, not the Seahawks picking him.

The thing is, people like me, and the guys like Mel Kiperon TV, dont have all the information. We don’t get to know anything about personal workouts, or combine interviews, or to see the pro-days. That’s a lot of information from the draft process that we’re without when trying to evaluate players.

For me, the big problem with Irvin was his recent arrest.  I saw that, combined it with his checkered past, and instantly dropped him from the end of round 1 to the end of round 2. I didn’t think people would take a chance on him until later because of it. What I didn’t know was that the charges were bogus, and that he’d addressed that in the interviews with teams. To most of the NFL, that arrest and his past was a complete non-issue.

It didn’t take me long to change my opinion of the pick though. When reports cam in that almost every team had Irvin in the first round, I knew the Seahawks got value with the pick. As soon as reports started coming in that at least 8 teams had Irvin in the top 15, then it seemed the Seahawks may have gotten a steal.

That’s the thing, when information came in, and it altered my opinion. It’s not that hard. And all that information was available within about 2 hours of the Seahawks picking Irvin. So why is it that Kiper and rest of the national media are still spouting off the same nonsense about how badly the Seahawks “reached” 3 days later. It’s just stupid. Are they really that incapable of admitting that they made a mistake?

The worst part of it is that every time they open their mouths on the subject they just look worse and worse. Clearly they realize that what little credibility they have is based on the perception that they know what the team’s know; know what the teams are thinking; and thus can predict what the NFL teams will do.

This is why they’re stubbornness makes so little sense. The more they badmouth the Seahawks, the more the just make it painfully obvious how out of touch they are with the way the NFL works and thinks. With each minute they lose more and more credibility. Why should we ever listen to what they have to say, when it so painfully clear that they have no clue what they are talking about.

And that’s what makes this all so foolish. Had they simply admitted that they misread this one player, or even just that they just misread how severely Irvin’s history would effect his value, then that would be the end of it. They could move on and talk about his obvious exceptional pass rushing skills and no one would know care that the missed on one evaluation.

But instead they choose to do the dumbest and most foolish thing they could do in this situation. They stick to their original story, repeating it over and over until everyone has a chance to realize that truth.

How completely and utterly foolish.

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  • Hawk_Eye

    I think the rest of the country just loves to criticize Seattle. If you go by where they were ranked on NFL.com, San Francisco had a so called bigger reach. Do you hear any of the so called experts trash San Francisco like they are doing to the Seahawks. Just saying…

  • Evilmd80

    I like how everybody’s saying that he’s a one trick pony. That’s exactly what Aldon Smith was last year and he had a monster season!! I hope Irvin is that insanely good as a rookie!!

  • Keith_12thMR

     @Evilmd80 I’m not sure if Irvin will get 14 sacks like Smith did. That’s just so freakishly good. But Irvin is actally a much better athlete. Faster, stronger, better first step. He’s got a much higher ceiling.

  • Keith_12thMR

     @Hawk_Eye That is a very good point. I’d thought of including it, but I hadn’t ready/heard enough of the coverage of SF to know if it was being brought up at all. I didn’t want to make that point and then people use that point to try and discredit my argument, when the point that I included were still completely valid.

  • Hawk_Eye

     @Keith_12thMR  @Hawk_Eye Did you ever hear any of the same criticism for Aldon Smith last year? I didn’t. But if you read through all the draft grades this year, very few point give bad grades for the 49ers.

  • Hawk_Eye

     @Evilmd80 I feel much better about Irvin. Brock and Salk did an interview with him on a podcast show. Everyone should check it out. Anyway, he made the point he plays in a 3-3-5 defensive scheme in college so he was going up against 300 pounders and he says in a different defense he will produce a lot better. 

  • Evilmd80

    @Hawk_Eye I like the sound of that! Some people thought Smith was a reach for the 9ers last year. Im hoping Irvin nets us 40-60 tackles, 10 tackles for loss and 8-12 sacks. Throw in 5 forced fumbles and some pass deflections and you could be looking a DROY candidate!

  • HughWaltermann

    Perhaps it’s the other way around. Each year it is getting more and more embarrassing the lengths Seahawks fans will go to defend draft poor draft decisions. It’s embarrassing to call myself a Seahawks fan. This rag had more credibility last year when it had writers with the balls to call out Pete for his lousy draft choices. The national media generally aren’t that far of the mark and they certainly weren’t last year; remember James Carpenter? After 35 years I find myself more inclined to call myself a football fan rather than a Seahawks fan.

  • Keith_12thMR

     @HughWaltermann Carpenter was really turning the corner last season when he got hurt. Had he been given the normal offseason and training camp, he likely would have been fine. Still, even if you don’t like the pick, that’s one bad pick in the PC/JS era. 
     
    Back to Irvin, the Jets were fully prepared to take him with their pick (#16, right after the Seahawks) and apparently were swearing at the Seahawks for taking him. My point is just that the Seahawks had Irvin’s value properly established compared to the rest of the NFL. It Kiper and the rest of the draft pundits that had it wrong.

  • bellefson91

     @HughWaltermann This is just an ugly attitude to have. I’m glad I’m not so negative like you or I’d be miserable with my life. If you took the time to learn about the picks, how they fit the system, and the credibility Carroll and Schneider have, you’d probably change your mind. Here’s a couple pieces I wrote that might help:
    http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/5/1/2990838/reflecting-on-the-seahawks-2012-draft-a-hopeful-fans-perspective#storyjump 
    http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/5/1/2992697/what-to-expect-of-the-seahawks-2012-draft-class-part-2#storyjump
    Unless you’re really that much of a pessimist. 

  • Keith_12thMR

     @Hawk_Eye I remember some talk about Smith being a reach, though I don’t care enough about the 49ers to have listened to too much of what was said about them. I get what you’re saying and agree.
     
    Another way to look at it would be: If the Jets had taken Irvin at 16 (which they were going to had the Seahawks not taken him) would the national media be beating them up as much as they are the Seahawks? Of course not!

  • Keith_12thMR

     @Evilmd80  @Hawk_Eye It depends on playing time to me. If he’s only a 3rd down player then he’ll have a hard time building up enough stats for DROY no matter how dominate he is. If he can work his way on the field more than that, like getting some playing time in the LEO to give Clemons a break for a few plays each game, then it’s much more of a possibility.

  • HughWaltermann

    That’s funny!!! FYI, I don’t allow the actions of any team affect my life. That you think anyone would only suggests to me that you are one of those who claim to live and die for your team. If your team than is the Seahawks than your life can be nothing other than miserable. Schneider and Carrolls record speaks for itself, with but for a couple exceptions their draft picks the first two years have been flops. It’s too bad also because as a person I Like Pete Carroll ; but Iam not impressed with what he has done in Seattle. I won’t be reading your articles, I try to avoid reading stuff that is biased one way or another and given your comments thus far I caused that the are written by a homer. I think I can figure thing out for myself. What I see so far is a team that that won’t be doing anything special in the next couple years. BTW, I am at piece with that. @bellefson91

  • HughWaltermann

    I tried to respond to this yesterday. Obviously they chose not to post it. So here is in a nutshell. I don’t know what corner you think Carpenter was turning. Everything I have heard indicates that they have given up hope of him ever being a starting Tackle. That they intend tomove him over to Guard to see if he works out better there. OMG!!! One bad pick. Carroll’s first two drafts have pretty much been busts. BTW, I don’t care what Ryan may or may not have done. What have the Jets done lately? Sorry you haven’t convinced me. @Keith_12thMR

  • bellefson91

     @HughWaltermann  @bellefson91 I’ve been studying psychology in college and read a study that says you can read a person’s mood easier from what they say online because there’s no face or voice to their name. And IMO the tone of your post is depressing. 
     
    And I’ve studied the Patriots’, Packers’, and Ravens’ methodology to building their teams, so if I have any bias in my writing it comes from winners; and I see the Seahawks headed in that direction with the current GM and coaching regime. You just aren’t realistic or patient  enough in what to expect building a team from scratch if you’re already unhappy with them. It’s a process. And building a winner for the long term is more important than instant success, so I’ll be patient and content with the team to support them through thick and thin. As soon as we start winning you’re just going to jump back on as a fan, so what does it matter anyways?

  • bellefson91

     @HughWaltermann  @Keith_12thMR “Carroll’s first two drafts have pretty much been busts” 
    And this just shows your ignorance about the team. So Russell Okung, Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Richard Sherman, KJ Wright, and Doug Baldwin are busts? Tate, Thurmond, and Moffitt will have a strong year. Maybe you just have too high of a f***ing standard; but how, I don’t know because like I said below I’ve read up on the Packers, Patriots, and Ravens and I’m pretty sure I have a good feel for what makes a good team. 

  • HughWaltermann

    @bellefson91 @Keith_12thMR Yes, I did not stutter, with but a couple exceptions, busts!!! Most of these guys would not be starting on most other teams. Russell Okung hs shown to be nothing more than a China Doll

  • HughWaltermann

    Earl Thomas was a good pick, perhaps Chancellor and Sherman will prove to be good player; jury is still out. Same with Moffitt haven’t seen enough of him. The rest career backups.

  • HughWaltermann

    @bellefson91 Do you even listen to yourself? Congratulations!!! So you study Psychology in college. That’s admirable but means nothing. I have a Masters in Epidemiology but I don’t expect I will cure Aids in my lifetime. What teams you claim to have studied means nothing to me either. Yes, it is a process; but that process is not continually picking career backups. The Patriots killed in the draft. The Packers did very well as well. They did so because at the very least they picked player’s that were predicted to go in the rounds they were chosen. When was the last time anyone said about the Seahawks. I have always heard people say that the Seattle sports fans are the dumbest sports fans. Since leaving Washington Iam beginning to understand why.

  • bellefson91

     @HughWaltermann  @bellefson91 Do you listen to yourself? My studies mean absolutely nothing? The reason I brought it up in the first place was to show why I think you’re depressed because you thought I have too much of an attachment to my team. You’re just an old arrogant prick who’s stuck in the past. You probably think you have “experience” in keeping up with football but that really means nothing if you don’t keep up with the times. You haven’t given any relevant info and rather rely on your subjective analysis of “they’re busts”. The AIDS comparison is nothing close to what I was saying and shows a level of stupidity that proves how much easier it was to get a degree back in the day compared to now. 
     
    I’m glad you left Washington; now why don’t you take your negativity to another team. Seahawks are about to big things and “fans” like you are just a disgrace. Say what you will but at the end of the day I’m informed and happy and those are both things that you clearly are not. 

  • HughWaltermann

    STFU Fool!!!!!!! @bellefson91